There’s no surprise that gun confiscation has failed in Kiwi Land. But there IS surprise that a violent gang spokesman talked a little too much to the press.
Noncompliance Kneecaps New Zealand’s Gun Control Scheme
By J.D. Tuccille, 8 July 2019
Once again, responding to a horrendous crime by inflicting knee-jerk, authoritarian restrictions on innocent people proves to be an ineffective means of convincing people to obey. Specifically, New Zealand’s government.which also stepped up censorship and domestic surveillance after bloody attacks on two Christchurch mosques earlier this year.is running into stiff resistance to new gun rules from firearms owners who are slow to surrender now-prohibited weapons and will probably never turn them in.
Officials should have seen it coming.
They did, per documents linked to by this reason.com post. Gun bans are win-win for Leftoids. They either disarm the innocent or condemn the innocent as guilty. It’s a quirk of having a soul that even when you don’t believe in God, you still feel a need to justify your conduct.
As of last week, only around 700 weapons had been turned over. There are an estimated 1.5 million guns.with an unknown number subject to the new prohibition on semiautomatic firearms.in the country overall.
Traditionally relaxed in its approach to firearms regulation, and enjoying a low crime rate, New Zealand has no firearms registration rule. That means authorities have no easy way of knowing what guns are in circulation or who owns them.
“These weapons are unlikely to be confiscated by police because they don’t know of their existence,” Philippa Yasbek of Gun Control NZ admitted. “These will become black-market weapons if their owners choose not to comply with the law and become criminals instead.”
My point exactly. Gun bans turn ordinary, law-abiding citizens into “criminals with black-market weapons” without the citizen doing anything or potentially, even knowing.
The very concept of innocence is hated by the wicked.
Yasbek’s organization advocates registering all guns in private hands. But that won’t help with gathering guns already in the possession of owners appalled by the government’s attack on the rights of innocent people.government attacks, it’s worth noting, that come in response to the crimes of one man who explicitly anticipated just such a response.
“I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse,” the killer wrote in a document he released to explain his crimes. “The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight. When was the last time they won increased rights? Their loss was inevitable. I just accelerated things a bit.”
Politicians fulfilled the murderer’s predictions with panic-driven legislation.
I was about to say. But again, NZ officials knew they were doing exactly what Tarrant wanted. Both feminists and white nationalists want massive, sudden, violent social change. If Tarrant was the Prime Minister, can anybody doubt he’d be doing exactly what PM Jacinda Ardern is right now? Tarrant specifically said he used guns in order to get them banned more quickly… it’s like they’re working together but can’t tolerate the other’s body odor.
Incidentally, here’s PM Jacinda. The smile is not unusual for her:
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Either her dentures don’t fit well or she craps only when full of ego.
Just as Australian police named “outlaw motorcycle gangs, Middle Eastern organised crime groups, and other groups engaged in trafficking illicit commodities such as drugs” as beneficiaries of the prohibition-fueled black market in firearms, underground organizations are similarly poised to prosper in New Zealand. Gangs in the island nation announced very loudly after the new legislation was introduced that they wouldn’t be surrendering their own weapons.
“Will gangs get rid of their weapons? No,” one prominent gang leader told Stuff. “Because of who we are, we can’t guarantee our own safety.”
So Kiwis who actually do comply with the confiscation scheme will put themselves at a disadvantage relative to violent gangs that don’t intend to obey.
After this article, we’ll proceed to that “prominent gang leader”.
They would also be putting themselves at a disadvantage relative to the government, which is retaining its own weapons despite a distinct lack of competence (in April, a police station provided one-stop, discount gun shopping for an enterprising burglar) and intends to further squeeze the country’s liberty. Even before the latest law has been fully implemented, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is planning more gun legislation, including registration. Additionally, the Security Intelligence Service stepped up domestic spying after the mosque attacks and saw a big boost in its funding courtesy of the latest budget.
Arguably, defiant gun owners are just being realistic in seeing little to gain by obeying restrictive laws that have their greatest impact on those who pose no threat to their neighbors.
Or they’re connecting the dots between “we’ve lost control of our gov’t” and “they just declared me a criminal.”
So, let’s go to that gang leader.
Gang bosses say weapons won’t be handed back after Christchurch mosque shooting
By Carmen Parahi and Florence Kerr, 30 March 2019
A gunman apparently motivated by a white supremacist ideology killed 50 Muslims in two Christchurch mosques. In the aftermath, gangs like the Mongrel Mob and Black Power were criticised for trying to support the Muslim community. Their leaders cannot understand why.
I’m already suspicious. The headline says “gangs won’t disarm” but this teaser paragraph says “gangs were criticized for supporting Islam”.
Ask yourself . Sonny Fatu says . how many mass shootings in New Zealand have been committed by gang members? None, he says.
“And how many have been committed by someone of P.keh. origin? Many if we include the terror raids of marae when colonialists stole land and killed women and children, but in more recent times we have Aramoana and now this . the murder of 50 innocent people.”
Fatu is president of the Waikato branch of the Mongrel Mob.
And this points the article in a third direction, hatred of whites. “We never did any mass shootings except when you colonials forced us to”? That there’s the reason I personally own guns. I’m not dumb enough to pick a fight with the State–that’s a last stand at best–but they keep importing nonwhites and teaching them to hate us. If they even need to teach them to hate us.
In the aftermath of the Christchurch attacks, the Mongrel Mob was criticised for having used sieg heil slogans and swastikas. The Waikato chapter stopped the practice four years ago.
The gang was also criticised for offering to provide security around mosques at services marking the death of 50 Muslims in the Christchurch terror attack. This was a crude PR ploy and gang members would turn in their own guns if they were genuine, one commentator suggested.
But Fatu accuses P.keh. commentators of diverting attention away from the Christchurch mosque killer. The real issue, he says, is racism.
P.keh. means “white New Zealander” so Fatu is being a hypocrite here. “Don’t talk about the perpetrator! Talk about how all whites are responsible for this, or you’re a racist!”
“When a M.ori person commits a crime of extraordinary circumstances the M.ori community are asked as a collective to front on it and develop ways to make sure their people don’t do it again. The same is asked of our Muslim, Polynesian, any person of colour,” he says.
“When a white person commits a crime it is seen as an individual act of violence and only tars the individual and maybe their family.
“There are a number of our P.keh. people who are sick with racism. They need to come together as a collective and address this and heal this.
“Our brown brothers and sisters shouldn’t have to fix this for them . they, we, have endured enough.”
Dumbass complains white people aren’t cohesive enough just one breath after criticizing the colonization efforts of the last time white people were cohesive. When white men have our act together, Fatu, we don’t beg for the approval of the Maori. We subjugate continents.
“As my friend [Black Power life member] Dennis O’Reilly stated in a recent interview, it is a fact gangs identify with marginalised communities. What has happened in New Zealand is those faced with various forms of oppression have synergised to form a powerful unity in our community.
“Tikanga Maori, Fa’a Samoa and Islam share various cultural aspects and protocols.”
Specifically, methamphetamine trafficking. On that note:
GUNS, DRUGS AND VIOLENCE
Neither Fatu nor Black Power’s O’Reilly hide from the fact their gangs have guns . some of them illegal. And neither is willing to concede they should turn them in after the Christchurch attack.
“Will gangs get rid of their weapons? No,” Fatu says. “Because of who we are, we can’t guarantee our own safety.”
Per wikipedia, Mongrel Mob has been repeatedly hit by multi-jurisdictional police actions for meth production and distribution over the last 20 years. They aren’t talking about safety, they’re talking about drug territory.
A report by the Law and Order Select Committee in April 2017 described unlawful firearms possession is an integral aspect of New Zealand’s gang culture. A 2014 police analysis showed 44 per cent of gang members had been charged with firearms offences.
No shit, Sherlock. Maybe you should ban gangs instead of guns.
Police said 29 gun licences were given to known gang members in 2016. Six of them were later revoked.
According to O’Reilly, Black Power members use guns to hunt for food to feed their families and to defend themselves. He admits many obtain their guns illegally.
One doubts that many New Zealanders still hunt squirrels for dinner. But if that was his way of confessing to poaching then the environmentalists will jump in soon.
The two rival gangs, with a majority of M.ori and Pasifika membership have been working together in the past few years as other, criminal organisations move into the country. O’Reilly says the guns are used to protect the drug trade within those new groups.
At least they’re opposing the immivasion. Think global and cook meth local!
“They’ve been imported deliberately, as part of methamphetamine shipments, in parts,” O’Reilly says. “These are not M.ori criminal networks working here, these are criminal networks.”
Ethnic gangs like the Mongrel Mob and Black Power are involved mainly in gang-on-gang violence, according to Fatu. They also police their own members if they step out of line.
“It’s not in our culture to inflict harm on innocent people like what happened in Christchurch,” Fatu says.
“The attacks between our organisations are gang-on-gang, they do not involve the non-gang members. Although there may be peripheral damage and violence that occasionally spills out into the public eye, it is absolutely and without intention for any harm to be caused to non-gang members.”
We can trust criminals to have guns because they only attack other criminals? I get a suspicion that he’s actually talking to the government, explaining why the gangs should keep their guns but not the innocents.
STANDING WITH ISLAM
Black Power and Mongrel Mob members gathered at the Wainuiomata marae last weekend. O’Reilly says 50 to 100 men, women and children travelled there from as far away as Kaitaia and Dunedin. They were meeting to discuss the future for the gang community in an effort to distance themselves from public perceptions of criminality.
But… you’re criminals. People perceive you as criminals because you ARE criminals. Even if you do talk like politicians.
Asked if turning in their guns was discussed at the hui, O’Reilly says: “Of course not. Why the hell would you be talking about handing back guns when you’re talking about progressing your family and moving from pathology to potential. Where on earth would discussions about guns come up in that?”
Because the innocent need guns to be safe from gangs like yours. Perhaps more people would voluntarily disarm if such gangs weren’t so powerful as to openly parade in solidarity with Islam:
The group, wearing their gang patches, decided to visit the Kilbirnie mosque in Wellington on the Saturday.
Fatu insists the gangs are not seeking public approval from their support for the Muslim community.
“We’re not trying to display change, we don’t care if people think we’re changing or not,” Fatu says.
“We’re doing it because that is what our people want now.”
That’s what the government said, too. I can’t imagine why “the people” of New Zealand are clinging to their guns while they’re stuck between their gov’t punishing them for the Mosque Shooting and the drug gangs threatening to blame them for the actions of non-resident Tarrant, all while claiming that that is what “the people” want.
They Obviously. Want. Their Guns.
I’m not sure whether to be impressed that you’re writing about my country without understanding the culture here, or absolutely disgusted that you’re writing about my country without trying to gain even a basic understanding of the culture here.
Here, we don’t have guns to protect ourselves. It’s not even legal to use guns in self-defence. We’re not allowed to carry them in public, unless we’re in the bush hunting. Guns and ammunition have to be locked away at all times, separately. Farmers and hunters are the main gun-owners here. We don’t have a big “gun culture” like the US does. Even our Police are unarmed – except for the days immediately after the shooting when they carried guns – but it’s gone back to normal now.
The vast majority of New Zealanders are in full support of the ban on semi-automatic weapons. Those that don’t, are mostly upset that the buy-back is a set amount, no matter the price of the original gun, and the cost of modifications since. Many gun owners will lose money. We’re also pretty annoyed that the Police, who are in charge of this gun buy-back scheme, have allowed so many of these guns to be stolen from the Police Stations, after law-abiding gun-owners have handed their guns in. These guns are now in the hands of criminals. The gun owners kept the guns safely locked away, and used them responsibly, but the Police didn’t. THAT is why many of us here are upset.
Hunting is huge here – but we don’t have any squirrels (you knew that, right?) Heli-hunting, particularly, is very popular with tourists. The locals just get out in the bush and do it – deer and pigs, mostly. But tahr up in the Southern Alps and the odd chamois. Ducks, in season. And rabbits, of course. All country kids cut their teeth on shooting rabbits with a slug gun. But nothing that a semi-automatic weapon is needed for.
If you knew anything about the history of NZ you would be impressed by the fighting ability of the Maori. They were warriors. Fighting had to be put on hold while the English brought in more soldiers, even though they had far superior weapons. And the atrocities done to the Maori by the English are absolutely abhorrent. Sometimes, I’m actually ashamed that my ancestors were one of “those”. Also, if you knew anything about my country, you would know that our government is still trying to right the wrongs done way back then, with breaches of the Treaty of Waitangi and land theft.
Sonny Fatu is right. Gangs here are really only violent with rival gangs. Mongrel Mob members regularly come into the shop that my husband and I own; we deal with them on a weekly basis. They are always friendly, polite. Even as a female, in the shop alone, I have never felt unsafe with them. They are just part of the community. The only people who have anything to fear from them, are rival gangs, at specific times. The Mongrel Mob, especially, are anti-establishment. Not anti-white people.
Also, at no time were the Mongrel Mob members criticized for ‘supporting Islam’ as you seem to think. I’m really not sure where you’re getting your information from, but it’s not correct. Mongrel Mob members did provide security outside the mosques, and did their best to make the Muslim worshipers feel safe as they congregated to pray. They performed haka’s outside, as a gesture of respect. Many, many people of NZ, of all nationalities and cultures, united in their grief and solidarity, sung songs, left flowers, prayed, outside the mosques as a gesture of support. It wasn’t just gangs that did this. My children’s schools (in fact, most schools around the country) put on various assemblies to show support for the mosque victims. Many of us, all over the country, drove Muslim women to the supermarkets etc. in the weeks after the shooting and escorted them wherever they wanted to go, because they felt unsafe. This is New Zealand. Nobody should live in fear in NZ. We all did what we could, to help make all NZers feel safe again. Muslims are part of our community here, and we were united in showing them that they are welcome here, and should feel free to practice their religion without fear. Freedom of religion is one of the backbones of my country.
But this is what was criticized – that gangs (criminals – because to be a Mobster you have to have done time in jail) who wear patches specifically to intimidate people, were acting as protection officers instead of letting the Police do their job. It was a well-meant gesture, but the NZ public found it offensive that criminal organisations were trying to be heroes. You have to remember, that for a country as small as ours, this was a pretty big event. On a per-capita scale, this shooting for NZ was as big as 9/11 was for America. Adjusted for population size, the same number of people were affected, roughly. We were ALL shocked. And all of us, no matter our backgrounds, banded together to say “this is not who we are. This is not us.” We did it in different ways, but our message was the same. It’s really sad that you can’t see that.
Unfortunately, Sonny Fatu is right that racism is deeply entrenched in this country. Maori make up 14% of the population, yet they account for more than 50% of the prison population. We don’t have to look very hard to see that if a paheka commits the exact same crime, 9/10 they won’t go to jail, but the Maori will. If we look at the statistics of Oranga Tamariki (our child welfare agency) and the uplifting of babies, the vast majority of them are Maori. It is frightening. We are working hard to rectify it, but it is going to take a long time. When the gang leaders talk about entrenched racism, they’re not talking about Tarrant. They’re talking about historical grievances. Current grievances.
Jacinda Ardern is very popular here, and the vast majority of New Zealander’s support the tightening of the gun laws, and the abolition of semi-automatic weapons.
As for banning gangs, studies have shown that’s not particularly effective. In many places, wearing patches in public is prohibited. In my small town, a number of signs on shop doors have a sign saying “no gang patches”. Gangs respect the signs, and leave their jackets in the car.
Your “fake news” article right at the top of this post is in our news here. https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/07/25/695869/us-fake-news-hits-nz-gun-buyback-efforts#
Please read it. You might find the explanations helpful, so you can understand what is really going on in my country regarding our guns and our gun laws, and the attitude of Kiwi’s.
America is very different to New Zealand. You can’t use American logic and American culture and try to apply it to New Zealand. It just doesn’t work.
The semi-automatic-weapon buyback scheme has literally only just started. Here is an article that shows how it is *actually* going: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114472330/gun-buyback-a-holiday-bonus-for-some
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/07/gun-buyback-working-because-people-just-want-to-do-the-right-thing-police.html
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/07/buyback-nets-more-than-10-000-weapons-and-parts-in-first-week.html
Quite disappointed that the very first article you cite is actually “fake news”
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/07/25/695869/us-fake-news-hits-nz-gun-buyback-efforts
Just one article showing what is *really* happening with our gun buy-back scheme here: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/07/gun-buyback-working-because-people-just-want-to-do-the-right-thing-police.html
I’m ranked highly in your search engines? This is a pretty quiet blog and for what it’s worth, this post isn’t being read much. (Today’s most-read is my post on MLK Jr, which is odd because he’s celebrated in January in USA, but even so it’s at 30 views.)
I’ll look into this after work today. It’s busy season for me.
Oops – double up of links. Copy-paste fail. Sorry!
Also, sorry to disappoint, but no, you don’t rank highly in my search engines. A friend from Missouri, who is evidently a regular reader of yours, sent me the link to this post because he thought I might be interested in your take on it.