With enemy pundits like this coming one, we don’t even need to make our own case. I remain thrilled that Texas not only de facto banned abortion, they de jure criminalized the women who seek the abortion instead of focusing on the hit-man providers that they hire. FINALLY!
Don’t Be Fooled By Religious Arguments For Texas’ Abortion Law. It’s Un-Christian.
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By Rev. Jennifer Butler, 11 September 2021
Okay, Reverend Rules-Over-Men. Let’s talk about what qualifies as Un-Christian Behavior. Soooo… what’s up with you posing as a leader of the Christianity? Did you not read the Book on it?
And her face, wow. I hope no man put a ring on that. Flat chest, strong jaw, SJW glasses and crazy hair… somebody was raised wrong then swam Left.
When I was a seminary student, training to become a pastor, I accompanied a loved one to a Planned Parenthood facility as she considered terminating her pregnancy. She chose not to get an abortion that day, but I was there for her either way.
No need for a Bible reference. It would require illiteracy to not comprehend the anti-Christianity of that opening statement.
Carrying each other through difficult moments, while respecting each other’s moral autonomy, is at the heart of both friendship and faith.
Obviously… painfully obviously… as in, The Crucifixion… Christianity is a unique, established moral standard and does not let its practitioners decide for themselves whether they deserve Hell. One would hardly need a Savior in such a define-it-yourself situation.
Under Texas. new S.B. 8 law, the options that the Planned Parenthood staffer compassionately laid out for my friend no longer exist. S.B. 8.s ban on abortion after six weeks functionally outlaws the vast majority of pregnancy terminations…
Yay Texas!
Millions of Texas women and the people who support them, including health care providers and faith leaders, are living in fear and danger after the U.S. Supreme Court ruling that allowed Texas. S.B. 8 to go into effect this week. S.B. 8 turns neighbor against neighbor by allowing any individual to sue anyone else whom they believe provided or assisted a patient with an abortion, and collect $10,000 for each successful claim.
YAY TEXAS!!! About that “this turns neighbor against neighbor” snark…
Under this law, my friend’s enraged partner, who tried to physically block us from leaving her home, could have bankrupted me.
She admits in her very next sentence, that the “neighbor against neighbor” incident happened when she fought off the father to help the mother visit the abortion clinic.
Which is worse? That Jennifer tried to thwart Ken’s efforts to stop Barbie from murdering his child, or that Jennifer can be deterred from doing that by pecuniary threats? “I can’t be an accessory to murder anymore because I might get sued! At least I can still be a living embodiment of the Curse Of Eve!”
And just for the record, she’s a CEO and White House insider. Few people are more capable of paying a fine or defending themselves from a civil suit. Women being motivated by fear like that is one of many reasons why God forbade them to rule over men.
When we reward anger and punish accompaniment, we ignore God’s condemnation of those who sow discord (Proverbs 6:19) and disregard the Gospel’s call to love our neighbor. While anti-abortion lawmakers often cloak their positions in Christian faith, S.B. 8 is theologically unsound.
Do I need to quote the Bible? This is such an abomination of Scripture that frankly, I’m happy to let it stand unchallenged.
The dangerous new reality created by S.B. 8 does not reflect the beliefs of everyday people who are conflicted about or even oppose abortion.
I’m pretty sure that it was never intended to be. Something I’ve come to realize about law and culture is that many people need government to do what must be done, because the people themselves have no stomach to do it. You can see this with immivasion debates. There’s a considerable faction that intellectually agrees with the idea of homogenous societies being best, who simultaneously lack the strength of conviction to actively make such a society happen. You’d have to be very mean to some very nice people… best for all if the State wields a sword that not all of its members are strong enough to. There’s no shame in that. Knowing that the pipe leaks doesn’t make you a plumber.
Also, I’m about ready to try a theocratic form of government. A Protestant one this time, although the Catholic precedent of Inquisition has clear merits… A pity that these things never work out in the end, however, for the exact same reason that Jennifer today can be a literal baby-killing Reverend.
I.ve held dialogues, publicly and privately, with Christians who hold a range of views on the morality and legality of abortion care. In a sometimes difficult search for ways to bridge divides, I’ve learned some important truths that illustrate why S.B. 8 fails to reflect the nuanced thinking that people across the spectrum bring to the issue.
Fascinating how she’s talking about what Christianity is, to a people (the Huffington Post) who hate Christ. She was only given Christian authority in order to discredit and blaspheme Christ.
What would happen if one of her dialogues across the spectrum convinced her that Christ did NOT like abortion? How long would she remain a Revered?
Given the very personal impact of the issue and the wide range of theologies on it, it’s only natural that people hold complex beliefs and see shades of gray.
This is not how ANY priest of Christ has EVER divined Christ’s will. “This issue affects me deeply and I don’t see it as black-and-white, so there’s no reason that Christ should disagree with me.”
But human beings have much clearer feelings about hypocrisy.
Dayumn! This female pastor went there!
The contrast between S.B. 8 and Texas. deadly COVID-19 policies shows a deep disconnect between .pro-life. rhetoric and .pro-life. policies. When Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signed S.B. 8, he said that “our Creator endowed us with a right to life.” But Abbott has unleashed unnecessary death by banning school districts statewide from protecting children’s lives with classroom mask mandates, and by forbidding businesses from requiring that patrons and employees be vaccinated to enter. The dissonance will only become sharper as hospital beds and mortuaries fill with COVID victims while court dockets proliferate with lawsuits against people sued for acts of friendship and compassion toward women seeking abortion care.
If you love Christ but hate the devil then you’re a hypocrite! If you ban abortion because you love life but don’t love MY life enough to ban the existence of everybody except me and those select few who obey my ever-growing list of demands and threats, then you’re a hypocrite!
The friend I accompanied to Planned Parenthood ultimately put her child up for adoption.
“I fought off her boyfriend so she could go to the abortion clinic but she decided to keep the kid after all.”
Policies that rob us of the agency to make such weighty moral decisions about the direction of our lives demean the fullness of our humanity.
More hypocrisy! And she was the one to bring up the Coof lockdowns, too!
And suing people into bankruptcy for acts of compassion is the height of cruelty.
MORE hypocrisy! Here we have Texas having compassion on the unborn, yet it’s anybody’s guess how many lawsuits have already been filed to bankrupt the state in retaliation.
As a pastor, the words of Scripture and the stories of my neighbors compel me to rebuke this [ban on infanticide].
She cited exactly one Bible verse, to the effect that anybody who disagrees with her is not a team player. Although to be fair… if that’s the right word… I refuted her with zero Bible verses.
I just let this Godless bitch run her mouth.
The Rev. Jennifer Butler is CEO of Faith in Public Life, a nationwide network of more than 50,000 faith leaders, and was chair of the President’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships under the Obama administration.
H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.S.Y. “I’m a Christian leader working for the Obama Administration!”
I didn’t realize the Texas law was this awesome. Crank up the song: God blessed Texas with his own hand, sent down angels from the promised land…
Seeing “Reverend” in front of any woman’s name instantly and automatically invalidates ANYTHING she has to say on ANY aspect of the Christian faith, period. There isn’t even any need to debate her on any of this, as she’s already undermined any authority she might have on the topic.
“Also, I.m about ready to try a theocratic form of government. A Protestant one this time, although the Catholic precedent of Inquisition has clear merits. ”
Watchoo talkinabout, Willis? Europe had Protestant theocracies starting about 500 years ago. Did they not teach Henry the VIII and the Church of England in your school? Not trolling, just asking.
As a Catholic, I am obviously biased toward having a Catholic theocracy. Change 1A to read “Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of the Catholic Church, nor prohibiting the free exercise of Roman Catholicism”. Music to my ears!
Also, I think the power of excommunication can be a net benefit, and Protestants don’t have that. But they do have women Reverends! (OK, that was a little trolling.). Our current Pope seems unwilling to use this tool against American Democrats, but that can change when we get the next Pope.
“As a Catholic, I am obviously biased toward having a Catholic theocracy. Change 1A to read .Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of the Catholic Church, nor prohibiting the free exercise of Roman Catholicism.. Music to my ears!”
We never banned RCC like RCC banned us. We simply didn’t want to be murdered by the Vatican as in the Old World. You gonna apologize for that someday?
Seriously, I’m not the smart choice for poking at Prots.
The problem with the inquisition was that they killed other Christians for minor doctrinal differences not atheists. Similarly with the Church of England burning people at the stake for questioning the Trinity but not for outright questioning God’s existence. Christiabs have never learned how to prioritize doctrinal importance, and I don’t expect they ever will, because the religion seem designed to reward with leadership positions those who are the most fanatical about the doctrines that have the least practical importance (trinity, transubstantiation, infallibility of something) and not those with practical importance (sexual morality, importance of agriculture so you don’t rely on corporations that want to lock you out of jobs and starve you).
the power of excommunication can be a net benefit, and Protestants don.t have that
1 Corinthians 5:1-5 shows the immoral brother being handed over to Satan, that his body may be destroyed.
And Matt 18:15-17 also show someone being no longer accepted as a believer.
Now, whether any particular group of believers is willing to implement those passages may be another matter. It’s (initially) easier to offend God and kiss up to the sinful woman beside you. Just ask Adam.
Now, whether any particular group of believers is willing to implement those passages may be another matter.
Very few are, which explains the abominable state of most “churches” today.
“Seriously, I.m not the smart choice for poking at Prots.”
GQ, it was meant in jest. No offense intended.
“We never banned RCC like RCC banned us. We simply didn.t want to be murdered by the Vatican as in the Old World. You gonna apologize for that someday?”
Wasn’t my call. Gonna keep to the side and let The Judge handle all of it.
“The problem with the inquisition was that they killed other Christians for minor doctrinal differences not atheists.”
jorgen, there were no atheist in Christendom 500 years ago. Not in any significant numbers, anyway.
GQ, one more thing: .We never banned RCC like RCC banned us.” Might want to talk to the Irish about that. Their Catholics were hunted for hundreds of years by the Anglicans.
” “the power of excommunication can be a net benefit, and Protestants don.t have that”
1 Corinthians 5:1-5 shows the immoral brother being handed over to Satan, that his body may be destroyed.
And Matt 18:15-17 also show someone being no longer accepted as a believer.”
Joshua,
Yes, Protestants have sola scriptura, so they accept those Bible versus, but my point was they don’t have the formal doctrine.