Mr. Torba tries so hard that he deserves his slice of the American Dream and then some, but channeling Doug Wilson isn’t going to pay off. Today, Pastor Wilson owns the Christian Nationalism accusation in order to broaden Christ’s appeal to the merchant princes of this world.
Then he compared Christian Nationalism to defending Mother’s Honor in the Hallmark store. I can’t make this up.
Christian Nationalism and Other Things That Skeered Us Real Bad
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By Pastor Doug Wilson, 12 July 2022. Originally posted on his personal blog.
Reason #1 to be suspicious about Christian Nationalism is the fact that we Christians didn’t come up with the concept. Our enemies did… just like they came up with “Judeo-Christianity” previously… and they use words to control, not to describe.
If you are an evangelical, you believe that Christ gave us the task of proclaiming the gospel of Christ to others, in the hope of persuading them to repent of their sins and believe the gospel.
To believe in Christ, not the gospel. Replacing Christ with “the Gosss-pelzzz” is a popular Satanic word-gambit today that saw recent use in the convergence of the Southern Baptists. Once “the Gospels” gambit fails, Satan will move on to replacing Christ with Noah. As in, the Noahide Code or whatever the Talmudists finalize it as.
If you still have the name evangelical, but you don’t believe that anymore, then you need to figure out how to respond to those Christians who do still believe that the Great Commission.the way Jesus gave it.applies to us today. One of the things you can do is rename whatever the heck it is you’re doing, that outreach-lite stuff, and call it missional, and then you can turn around and accuse the old-timey Christians of being Christian nationalists.
Sounds pretty bad, right?
Absolutely. Who’s your successor, Pastor Wilson? If you aren’t training your replacement then you’re disobeying the Great Commission. It’s not just about preaching the gospel… it’s also training disciples afterwards, such that the Church will not need to fall back on seminaries and professional clergy.
Ouch! Even your book deals felt that burn.
[If you take a look at this Tweet], the one that says that the repeal of Roe is all about imposing “Christian” nationalism, and which therefore relegates all responsible pro-lifers into the same category as the nutters, you have to acknowledge that this is standard operating procedures for the left.from their fever swamps to the very central corridors of all their accumulated power. And this means they have no one to blame but themselves for what is now coming to harvest.
Standard operating procedure for atheists is projection, accusing us of what they intend. Here, accusations of Christian Nationalism come from their desire to impose a mandatory humanist theocracy. A mandatorily Christian nation is not even possible given Christianity’s rejection of religious coercion.
Nota bene: when Jesus said to “baptize the nations”, He meant the inhabitants not the parliaments.
Also nota bene: Trump Derangement omitted.
So there really are some crazies on the right, there really are. But the only people who should be allowed to criticize them would those who believe that dictionaries ought to contain definitions that are basically stable, and not susceptible to facile weaponization by the Left. .Hate is not a family value.” Whoever said that it was? This means that our rule of thumb should be that to qualify as a legitimate critic of right-wing loons, you need to be Ted Cruz, or to the right of Ted Cruz. You also need to be to the left of Alex Jones. When you have found that sweet spot.and what a coincidence it is too.you find yourself more or less where I am. So welcome.
Welcome to the Cuck Zone, where old white guys with personality cults STILL enrich themselves by conclusively proving that that’s our lunch the Marxists are eating. “You can’t criticize me if you think Alex Jones is tame.” What, did you get a pacemaker? We mockers have a need to know.
Once this is agreed upon, Christian nationalism, as I will explain below, is a responsible position that a mentally balanced and decent citizen can take. Moreover, it is a position that all consistent Christians need to take. Patriotism matters. This is a position that can actually be adopted without garnering that wild glint in your eye, the kind of glint that tells your fellow passengers on the subway to steer clear.
Christian nationalism is not the idea that America has replaced Israel as God’s chosen nation. None of that nonsense.
**GunnerQ glances at the demographics of SCROTUS Biden’s Cabinet** Yeah, it’s more like Israel has replaced America… as Satan’s chosen nation.
But seriously, self-identifying with the Enemy’s unfounded accusation against us will only convict ourselves of their imminent crime. Many nations have had God-fearing governments but the only ones to have specifically Christian governments are the ones that tried to butcher the Protestants back into the fold. It’s funny how “divine right to rule” somehow never came with “divine limitations to rule” despite Apostle Paul’s epistle of Romans.
So, are you ready for a lucid and levelheaded defense of Christian nationalism? Are you willing to walk with me through the basic arguments? Are you willing to take my hand?
That sounds creepy. Especially when he follows it up with Mommy metaphors:
Suppose a man goes to the Hallmark store to buy his mom a Mother’s Day card. While browsing in that aisle, he notices another man selecting a card that (impudently) says “To the Best Mother in the World.. Does he have the right to knock the card out of the other man’s hand, and start a fist fight with him there in the store because that twerp falsely claimed that his mother was the best one in the world?
This is not a trick question.
Oookay… assuming this is neither a trick question nor a real incident in Pastor Wilson’s life, the correct answer is that women neither have nor understand honor, therefore there is no point defending it. And Mama’s Boy still wouldn’t have the right to champion her honor because dueling is illegal. Alas. Nothing would put the “social” back in social media like an in-person perforation performance.
No, that would not happen. A man who honors his mother rightly knows exactly why another man would honor his mother, even though.and follow me closely here’she is a different mother. A sane patriot who loves his country understands better than anyone else why another sane patriot could love a completely different country. And a jingoist is the guy who starts fights in Hallmark stores.
But we, in our pretendy cosmopolitan wisdom, decided that we should try to get people to respect and honor other cultures by insisting that they learn how to disrespect their own. But that is not how it works. In our purported wisdom, we have thought that if we only teach all the little American kids that their mother is not so hot, and that there are many things about her behavior over the years that have been really pretty sketchy, then harmony and peace will break out all over, and all the little white supremacists under our charge will suddenly realize how wonderful all those other mothers are.
Not a trick question: is Wilson having one of them “neurodivergences”? Because this is pure hallucination. The absolute last thing that our corrupted schools will ever teach to children, is that women can be evil too.
We have thought that the way to instill respect for the cultures of others is by ingraining a contempt for our own. But that is not what you actually get. What you get is backlash, a recoil. What you get is white boy summer, and it is your own stupid fault.
Was that a dis against us white men? I can’t even tell. Why should we respect other cultures at all, unless they inherently deserve respect?
The fact that it is possible for a man to make an idol out of his marriage and family.and it is possible.does not in any way give us permission to abrogate the requirement that a husband love his wife as Christ loved the church (Eph. 5:25).
Cuck-A-Doodle-Doo! Ephesians 5:22-24 never gets a mention.
Our duties are assigned to us by God in Scripture, and are not to be reverse engineered from the errors, sins, and faults of others. Say that another man has his wife up on a pedestal, and is living in a world of blurry romantic conceits. What is that to you?
As a Christian witnessing a fellow believer fall into the lethally dangerous trap of Original Sin, repeating the very crime that damned the male sex from the beginning, I have the duty to help him come to his senses before it’s too late.
Just like his understanding of the Great Commission, Wilson thumps the half of Scripture that he likes while pretending the other half doesn’t exist. Anarcho-tyranny.
You must still love your wife as Christ loved the church. John Lennon may have wrecked the Beatles over Yoko, but that is no reason for you to wreck your marriage by loving your wife less than you were commanded to.
Peak Cuck-a-Boomer! Not only did Wilson shoot himself down as quickly as he tried to fly, but there are now FOUR generations of Americans who don’t give a fig about the Beatles.
The same principal applies to nations. I have certain duties and responsibilities toward my own people. These duties are assigned to me in Scripture, and Scripture also helpfully supplies the boundaries of those duties. As the Westminster Larger Catechism helpfully teaches us, my duties toward my people, my nation, my culture, are subsumed under the Fifth Commandment. We are plainly told to honor our father and mother so that our days may be long on the earth (Eph. 6:2-3). And we are also told that whoever loves his father or mother more than Christ cannot be a Christian (Luke 14:26; Matt. 10:37 ).
Wait a minute . . .
Hehheh, he just shot himself down again. If only it would stick! I skip his rationalizing Paul via Augustine by way of Dessert that you can simultaneously love your Mommy more than God, and God more than your Mommy.
…It is a layered cake, and love for Christ is to be the bottom layer of every piece.
It really does sound that bad. Anyway, by tortured logic Wilson thinks that love for your nation (implicitly meaning government) is as mandatory as love for Mommy. As in, love her more than God.
Also as in, no mention is made of men gaining a benefit from participating in a nation. It’s all duty and responsibility.
There are three basic options when it comes to how the nations of men are organized. The nations can remain distinct, the nations can disintegrate, or the nations can coalesce.this means that the options are nationalism, tribalism, or internationalism.
Tribalism=disintegration? That is a unique definition. But he goes nowhere with it.
Enter the church. Now the church has the capacity to relate to whatever it is the world is currently doing. The church had to deal with Nero as he was, which is not the same thing as approving of Nero as he was. And we have to relate to a pluralistic society, but that does not make us pluralists. We have to relate to an unbelieving society too, but why should that make us unbelievers?
Correct, actually, and as I said before, this puts the lie to Christian Nationalism. Christianity does not require either a certain demographic or a certain government system. God’s morality is compatible with ALL of humanity.
So the question should therefore be “what relationship between the nations should the church be ready to instruct the princes of the earth to pursue?.
That sounds a lot like the New World Order, not Christ’s millennial kingdom. Pursue relationships with… who, exactly? **drum roll**
When kings become nursing fathers for the church (Is. 49:24)…
Chestfeeders!
When kings bring their honor and glory into the church (Rev. 21:24)…
Papist puppets!
When the ships of Tarshish bring their silver and gold unto the name of the Lord God (Is. 60:9)…
AND THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM!
…what shall we teach them then? How shall we instruct them?
Wilson’s answer is that when the kings of this earth come to God on their knees, then the church shall teach them the Great Commission and Christian Nationalism will be achieved. I’m serious. Wilson quoted Matt. 28:18-20 in full.
I say, nuke Davos from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
But in the current climate, is there any possible way to seek to make America a Christian nation without drawing the charge of Christian nationalism? No, there is no way to do this without drawing that charge. Should we care about this? Not even a little bit.
Then… why write this..?
Some will say that it is not possible to make a nation into a “Christian” nation. Nations don’t have immortal souls and cannot be Christian. To which I would reply, why did Jesus tell us to do it then?
To clarify, Wilson interprets “baptizing the nations” as meaning “unite the rulers of nations into a world government”. To wit:
Once the nations are discipled, and we hang the trumpet in the hall, and are studying war no more, what is the relationship of these nations to be, one to another? It is not to be an international bureaucracy.we are Christian nationalists, after all, not Christian internationalists. I am not one of those repellent globalists. Ick, poo!
Emphasis his. “When all kings, princes and chestfeeding international merchants are submitted to God, it won’t be an international organization, oh no! Bureaucracies are icky poo!”
What should we call this international collection of Christian states? I am glad you asked. My name for it is mere Christendom.
God’s name for it is Whore Of Babylon. An international collection of ten to seven kings united by the world religion into murdering the saints in the name of Mommy Cares.
And when it happens, Doug Wilson will be buying her a Mother’s Day card… ready to defend her honor at the drop of a glove!
I believe I may have mentioned this before.
In the first paragraph of this post, I referred to those Christians who have abandoned their obligation to win others for Christ…
Skip the group that doesn’t exist.
But Christ is Lord of the nations. He is the King of kings. He is the Lord of lords. We should want Him to recognized and honored as such.
There’s no place for men in Wilson’s church. He thinks the Great Commission is to gather the kings to Christ. After all, nobody calls Jesus the King of Ordinary Joes.
Never mind that He even chose to live as one.
Speaking of Babylon,
The fuzzy jargon of contemporary evangelicalism wants to talk about things like “faithful presence,. or “seeking the good of the city,. but they are careful that they not be too effective in their witness. They want to be “faithfully present” in our culture in the same way that Daniel was faithful in Babylon, or so they say.
And properly so. Daniel when stuck in a land that had zero respect for God, set several useful precedents for how we should behave when under non-Christian authority. We can be Christians outside a Christian nation.
But you have to be careful with that because a modern Nebuchadnezzar might then…
.Then mayor of New York City spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Tim Keller and James Davison Hunter, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king’s word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God. Therefore I make a decree, That every people, nation, and language, in Brooklyn or beyond, which speak any thing amiss against the God of the evangelicals, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill: because there is no other God that can deliver after this sort. Then the king promoted Darryl Hart, Michael Horton, and Abed-nego, in the province of Babylon..
Daniel 3:28.30 (KJV, slightly edited for the modern reader)
Uhhh… somebody had two scoops of self-esteem for breakfast. This is why I harp on false priests replacing Christ with the Gosss-pelzzz. It replaces loyalty to Our Savior with the notion of increasing headcount in the pews. Only the Great Commission matters, not becoming Christlike! Come one, come all ye rulers of Earth, to the Babylonian religion of material success!/sarc
Christian Nationalism is a nullity. But if it did exist, and if I claimed it looked like God being defined in relation my personal circle of associates, then I would wish for a friend to take me aside… just as if I was worshipping my wife… and beat me with a stick until the stupid stopped. Wounds from a friend can be trusted.
Who is Wilson trying to kiss with this article? Say it ain’t Billy Gates’ manboobs.
‘Welcome to the Cuck Zone, where old white guys with personality cults STILL enrich themselves by conclusively proving that that.s our lunch the Marxists are eating.’
Ka-ching!
‘So, are you ready for a lucid and levelheaded defense of Christian nationalism? Are you willing to walk with me through the basic arguments? Are you willing to take my hand?’
Just want to slap him.
‘In our purported wisdom, we have thought that if we only teach all the little American kids that their mother is not so hot, and that there are many things about her behavior over the years that have been really pretty sketchy, then harmony and peace will break out all over’
Boyo lives in a complete gynocracy where criticizing ANYTHING feminine has been mainstream-taboo for decades, and often illegal. That’s why the manosphere had to be birthed.
Yet boyo is certain that in America, Mommy is under attack and only boyo (and his cult of cuckleberry disciples) can save Her. Boyo is rationalizing his devotion to Mommy, instead of to my Father, and in order to do so, he must construct the straw woman that Mommy is under constant threat, and is therefore righteous in her wrath (against me, my brothers, and fatherhood and masculinity in general). So, basically, antichrist spirit.
Funny ole thang, the constant-threat angle is the same excuse Mommy uses when she does those things that boyo hasn’t the strength to admit.
‘What you get is white boy summer, and it is your own stupid fault.’
Boyo completes the globohomo daily dubble by tossing in a slur against whites, so everyone knows he is against Racism. Except against whites. P.S. other whites, not him.
Diagnosis: female idolatry combined with advanced cult-of-woke tumors
Prescription: six seconds in front of the King’s Throne
Trying to read Wilson’s writing literally gave me a headache. It’s unbelievably disjointed; his word salad indicates a mind that is not right, not right at all.
”Who is Wilson trying to kiss with this article? Say it ain.t Billy Gates. manboobs.”
Maybe dave futrells manboobs instead GUNNER?
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”Trying to read Wilson.s writing literally gave me a headache. It.s unbelievably disjointed; his word salad indicates a mind that is not right, not right at all.”
Maybe ritalin&adderall is needed dude?